Lesley Stahl: Do you still think that climate change is a hoax?
President Donald Trump: I think something’s happening. Something’s changing and it’ll change back again. I don’t think it’s a hoax, I think there’s probably a difference. But I don’t know that it’s manmade. I will say this. I don’t wanna give trillions and trillions of dollars. I don’t wanna lose millions and millions of jobs. I don’t wanna be put at a disadvantage.
Lesley Stahl: You know, I— I was thinking what if he said, “No, I’ve seen the hurricane situations, I’ve changed my mind. There really is climate change.” And I thought, “Wow, what an impact.”
Trump: Well— I’m not denying.
Lesley Stahl: What an impact that would make.
Trump: I’m not denying climate change. But it could very well go back. You know, we’re talkin’ about over a millions—
Lesley Stahl: But that’s denying it.
Trump: —of years. They say that we had hurricanes that were far worse than what we just had with Michael.
Lesley Stahl: Who says that? “They say”?
Trump: People say. People say that in the—
Lesley Stahl: Yeah, but what about the scientists who say it’s worse than ever?
Trump: You’d have to show me the scientists because they have a very big political agenda, Lesley.
Lesley Stahl: I can’t bring them in.
Trump: Look, scientists also have a political agenda.
Lesley Stahl: “Is it true General Mattis said to you, ‘The reason for NATO and the reason for all these alliances is to prevent World War III?'”
Trump: “No, it’s not true. … Frankly, I like General Mattis. I think I know more about it than he does. And I know more about it from the standpoint of fairness, that I can tell you.”
Well, that was a train wreck, and all you need to know is that speculation increased that Defense Secretary Mattis may be leaving sooner rather than later.
Lesley Stahl: “I’m gonna try one more time.”
Trump: “Lesley, you don’t have to try again. I know exactly what you’re saying. … I will always be there with NATO, but they have to pay their way. I’m fully in favor of NATO, but I don’t wanna be taken advantage of.”
And we are so totally eff’ed in the dark.