The Dims are always ingenious in finding new ways to attack themselves. Instead of demanding resignations from ADMITTED serial sex fiend Donald Trump, and Blake Farenthold and ganging up on alleged child molester Roy Moore, they focused on Al Franken.
I am not endorsing gropers, but I am saying that the Senators (including my own) who piled on Franken so far have not piled on Trump. This is not just hypocritical, it’s bad strategy. Weak! SAD!
G’da would’ve said something about cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face.
Funny how this is a replay of what the corporate dems did to John Kitzhaber, the most popular governor in the history of the State of Oregon, re-elected just weeks earlier to an unprecedented fourth term, a couple of years ago. Who I am happy to report was clearly just a couple of weeks ago by the ethics committee investigating he and his fiancee of any wrongdoing.
Didn’t just stab Kitzhaber, or Franken, in the back, stabbed all of us in the back. And that is why there’s a real good chance this No Party Affliated voter may well never vote a dem again.
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Exactly. Its okay to demand Franken and Conyers resign, but only if you demand DEMAND that Trump, with a thirty year history of this behavior, resign as well. Otherwise, sit and spin, motherfuckers.
I AM MAD.
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Who wants to be in an Army that shoots it’s own wounded?
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And gives aide to the enemy same time.
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I called all of Senator Purity Murray’s offices last night and again this morning, leaving messages or talking to live people about her bullshit “principles.” She and her Purity Harpies stuck to their principles as the nationstate implodes. Good for them. The unikorns will save us! Yes!
Franken resigning is not going to make anthing one whit better. Republicans do not value women or poor people or minorities-who-will-soon-be-majorities or LGBT or peaceniks or rationalists or enviros or…anyone other than themselves. They don’t have “principles” as generally defined, and don’t recognize principles in anyone else. They will only use Franken’s taking the high road to their own advantage and continue to marginalize all those they despise, screw us with draconian health care laws, dismantle Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and disenfranchise as many as they can get away with. Republicans have one more notch on their belt.
Franken should not have resigned.
Especially before there was even the “ethics inquiry” that he called for.
Fuck Democrats. Pissants. I despise them, too.
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Has there ever been a strategy by Schumer that has ever worked out for the Dims? The guy has the reverse-Midas touch.
And don’t get me started on Nancy ‘Impeachment is off the table’ Pelosi. She’s gifted in tactical ways but never has been good at strategy.
Rgds,
TG
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The DLC is hard at work.
They’ll get more R’s elected if it kills us.
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oh, and
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This must’ve been deleted, it’s saying the page doesn’t exist.
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hmmm. Does this one work? https://twitter.com/SnarkyLibruhl/status/938821591864975360
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It does indeed. Thanks, Purplehead! — TG
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Just like clueless Democratic Party U.S. Senators; to bring a poetry book to a gun fight. They organize their circular firing squad lynch mob, and try to deny Sen. Franken due process and an opportunity to defend himself in a requested ethics investigation in order to “make an example out of him?” The only example being made is how laughably easily Democrats can be rolled by Roger Stone’s ratfucking. If they are so dead set on setting an example, how about going after blue dogs like Joe Manchin who want to carry water for the oligarchs and weaken Dodd-Frank; something that would truly imperil the nation?
Memo to current and future Democratic Party candidates: Rather than refusing to take pictures with the public and constituents, agree to take the pictures, but ONLY with your hands clasped together in front of you, and lots of staff members to witness and memorialize what occurred pre & post photograph.
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The immortal Bartcop regularly ran a cartoon of the “Democrats stabbing the back of any popular Democrat”.
Does that cartoon still exist?
God rest Bartcop. He probably would have had a seizure over today’s stuff anyway.
w3ski
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yeah, I miss Bart, too/also. –TG
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They should have demanded action against Moore, Fahrenthold, and the rest of the Grody Old Pervs.
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They certainly should have done it at the same time, if not before, B-4. And they STILL HAVE NOT SAID A WORD.
This is beyond stupid and into malpractice.
Rgds,
TG
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See my comment above.
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DITTO to all the above. I’m steamin’ mad at the dems!. “bring a poetry book to a gun fight”. I like this. Good one RGC!! On an off note, I salute Mr. Al Green (NO, not THAT one) D.Tx., for forcing an impeachment vote. We all knew it wouldn’t fly, but he had the guts to do this. Him & 58 other Dems, I believe.
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Plenty of Democrats have called on Trump to resign. My state’s senator Merkley just did so today. Over 50 House Democrats just voted for impeachment, and it would have been a lot more if it weren’t an obvious waste of time since there’s no way, right now, to get 67 votes in the Senate to convict. After Mueller’s final report it will be a different matter.
There’s little point in Democrats calling on Republicans to do anything since we know it will have no effect. But we can’t give harassers a pass just because they’re on our side politically. That’s what the Trumpanzees and Moore-ons do. As it is, we’ve drawn a hard line between the Republicans, who coddle harassers out of political expediency, and ourselves, who do not.
Here’s my take on it in more detail.
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It should also be noted that the mainstream media enables the fuck out of the GOP goons (who doesn’t love a good spectacle, amirite?), so it’s possible that reporting on the unsexy business of Democrats calling for Republicans to do the right thing may be a little thin.
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Very likely. Members of one party calling for members of the other to resign isn’t all that newsworthy these days.
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That weird, because when I search Google News, even just now, I don’t get a single hit for Democrats demanding Trump resigns.
When I search specifically for Sen. Merkley, all I get is a demand that Sen. Frankin resign.
I’m not saying that you’re wrong (that’s MY specialty!), just that I have not found it. That could also be that our complicit media just doesn’t care because IOKIYAR.
Rgds,
TG
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Did you look at the link I provided in my comment?
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Yup – I’m just saying that nothing comes up in a google search, and it absolutely did not this morning when I wrote the post. –TG
PS – I liked your post. A lot. Check tomorrow (HINT).
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Thanks (about the post), I appreciate it. As for the link on Merkley, it may be that Google is not all it’s cracked up to be — I assume that Crooks and Liars story is reporting accurately on what Merkley said.
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New on Crooks and Liars: https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/breaking-trent-franks-resign-house-after
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The reason that the Dems aren’t calling for GOP heads to roll over sexual misconduct is because this isn’t a Democrat or Republican problem, it’s a man problem. I like Senator Franken, and the reason I’m not tossing his books in the trash right now is because what he’s done is basically no different from anything every man has done to a woman at some point in their lives. He appears to be realizing that his behavior was inappropriate and taking steps to remedy that, which is a good start.
The Dems are sacrificing Franken on the altar right now because the men in their party are probably all guilty of the same, and treating Franken like a “lone wolf” exception to the rule takes the heat off them. The entire government is basically a boys’ club and they give a few passing fucks (if any) about women. Republican women will easily accept victim-blaming and excuse-making for sexual misconduct on the part of the party’s men because the GOP has already made it clear that they don’t care about women and think they’re subhuman–they aren’t going to have to answer to their constituents for it. Their constituents agree. So they can continue with reckless abandon and no one of consequence will care.
The Democrat governor of Minnesota will appoint a Democrat senator to replace Franken. There are some women that are possible candidates. This would be a good thing, strategy-wise and actually giving a fuck-wise.
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what he’s done is basically no different from anything every man has done to a woman at some point in their lives.
I’ve never done anything like that to a woman (or man). I really doubt most men have.
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You’ve never grabbed an ass, snapped a bra, made comments about her body to a random woman on the street, at work, or at a bar? Not even as a joke? Not even in high school or college? That’s not to say that you would necessarily condone it now, but society says this is “normal”. I understand that not every man has harassed a woman, but every woman has been harassed by a man.
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I believe that 100% of women might be harassed in their lifetime, but I do not think 100% of men are harassers. –TG
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You’ve never grabbed an ass, snapped a bra, made comments about her body to a random woman on the street, at work, or at a bar? Not even as a joke? Not even in high school or college?
No, never. I’ve never in my life considered any of those things remotely acceptable behavior. Very few men I’ve known have given me the impression that they would have thought it was acceptable either.
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I understand that not every man has harassed a woman
That directly contradicts what you said a few minutes ago.
but every woman has been harassed by a man.
This doesn’t surprise me at all. It would only take 5% of the male population to behave that way for every woman to encounter one fairly often.
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Please don’t #NotAllMen me. I understand that. I believe you when you say that you have never harassed a woman and don’t think that it’s appropriate behavior. It happens so frequently to women and we are told to expect it from every man and protect ourselves from it every day of our lives, and we’re even blamed for “causing” it and argued-with about what “counts”. If we are second-guessing you, that is why.
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Please don’t #NotAllMen me.
Sorry, but what I said is the truth. I’m responding to a false accusation. Putting a hashtag label on it doesn’t change that.
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Thanks to Infidel for mansplaining!
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Thanks to Infidel for mansplaining!
Again, you’re just slapping a label on what I said so you can avoid confronting the fact that you made a statement (“what he’s done is basically no different from anything every man has done to a woman at some point in their lives”) which was not true. I’m well aware of this kind of use of jargony labels to blank-out and de-legitimize anyone who points out when the label-user is wrong about something. I’m just completely unimpressed with such tactics. It is not OK to make false statements about huge categories of people and then resort to name-calling when somebody points out what you’re doing.
This is going to be my last comment here about this. I think what I’ve said speaks for itself well enough.
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This is good to hear, but I’m surprised this comes as such a shock. I mean, ask basically any woman ever if they’ve been creeped-on by a guy, and I feel very comfortable in my skin saying that she will say yes and can probably tell you many stories. Many men cover for their friends or coworkers with, “Oh, he didn’t mean it that way,” or, “That’s just the way he is, he’s harmless,” or just don’t call it out because they either don’t see it as problematic or don’t want to stand up to their friend.
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As I said, hearing that pretty much every woman has been harassed doesn’t come as a shock at all — “This doesn’t surprise me at all.” What comes as a shock is the claim that all men are harassers. That’s blatantly false. Again, I’ve never done anything like that, almost no men I’ve ever known would have considered such behavior acceptable, and I don’t think any company I’ve ever worked for would have either.
People like Trump, Moore, Franken, Conyers, Weinstein, and their ilk are not normal. They’re a pathological minority (I suspect a disproportionate number of men who act that way grew up in privileged circumstances where they were less socialized). We absolutely shouldn’t normalize them. Refusing to coddle abusers like Franken or Conyers shows that the Democratic party, at least, is not normalizing them.
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Folks,
It was my turn to make dinner (fresh local PNW Coho Salmon with an green olive-caper butter sauce over mustard greens from the garden, with an excellent California Chardonnay from the Santa Cruz Mountains appellation), did the dishes, and returned… and holy crap!
I love the respectful discussion and free exchange of ideas on MPS and that everyone feels supported enough to express themselves.
That said, everyone please take a breather. I hope we all realize that we are on the same side.
Keep your eye on the enemy (who is not your fellow leftist); don’t let them divide us, which they are very good at. I’m shutting off comments on this post: I don’t think that there is anything left to say.
Much love to all the Scissorheads!
Mwah!,
TG
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