The simple talking point is the easiest to destroy

One of my friends, a really nice lady most of the time, is also one of the few remaining Republicans in NorCal. She generally means well, does not have a racist bone in her body (her grandchildren are blended-race kids, gorgeous, and she’s very proud of them), and she doesn’t go too far into conspiracy theories (which are usually her downfall: she believes what she is told way too often). Anyway, we get along fine as long as we stay away from politics.

Today, we went crashing into politics.

“It wouldn’t have happened if the schools allowed the employees to carry firearms,” she told me or words to that effect, but absolutely parroting the NRA talking points. It set me off.

To which –as a sonofalawyer–I could only reply, “Let’s think this through. What calibre do you suggest? What model? Automatic or manual? Rifle, hand gun, something else? If you are going to propose this, you need to have a standard gun issued, so what will it be?”

Do the staff shoot to kill or just to wound? What if the target is one of the students, does that change things? Will teachers have immunity from prosecution for shooting their students or other people on the campus?

You want to train Teacher Union members how to shoot guns? (I swear she flinched at that point, it was pretty funny.) What will be the certification process to prove that they’re good shots. What about the substitute teachers? Will teachers get better guns as they go up the pay scale? What happens if a good teacher is a poor shot? What if the teacher doesn’t want to shoot anyone? Do you fire him or her? What happens when the teachers go on strike? Do you train the scabs?

Who is going to pay for the guns, the ammo, the training? What’s the insurance policy going to cost to cover accidents, or stolen guns being used in other crimes? How often do you replace the ammo to keep it fresh? How do you budget yearly ammo? How do you account for it at the end of the year? What happens if some ammo goes missing?

How much ammo should schools have on hand? Where will these weapons be stored? How will they be stored? Where will the ammo be stored? Where will this stuff go during the summer and when school in not in session?

I don’t know if it changed her mind (I doubt it), but I think she will be careful about saying stuff like this around me again.

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16 Responses to The simple talking point is the easiest to destroy

  1. PLH in NYC says:

    Effin brilliant! Thank you for at least speaking to a person who is not a wingnut in a way that might make her think.


  2. wagonjak says:

    Beautiful story TG…I’ll copy and remember it…Carl


  3. Big Bad Bald Bastard says:

    How about this? Would “suicide by teacher” replace “suicide by cop” if this is implemented? How about the fact that “criminals” would know that schools are places where lots of firearms could be stolen?

    Gadzooks, even the “nice ones” are dumb, dumb, dumb.


  4. Yep, you don’t need to go to law school to be able to argue like a lawyer. Kudos. If she were right leaning and mean and stupid, you could have suggested mandatory gun classes in utero, and semi-automatic armed kindergartners as an option. That would take care of playground bullying really quickly.


  5. Anne says:

    way to go–just way to go.


  6. Ah, once again the Painful Truth rears its inopportune head, thanks to the quick wits and firm sack of Our Host, Tengrain. Kudos, Bro, for being able to address this bullshit without being unkind.


  7. raceynora says:

    My head hurts.

    Oy, gevalt! What were they thinking? –TG


  8. Bruce388 says:

    A recent article pointed out a fallacy in that argument: St. Ronnie, as President, had highly trained Secret Service agents protecting him at all times. John Hinckley almost killed him and disabled Jim Brady. How is a teacher going to do any better?


  9. grs says:

    As I discussed this with Mrs. grs, we pondered all our past teachers. A large percentage seemed imbalanced. I think of friends in college who went into education. Good grief, none of them should be let near a firearm.


  10. tommyspoon says:

    I bet she’s got one of those magnetic ribbons on the back of her SUV. Another coward. (Sorry, ‘Grain. Just callin’ it like I see it.)


  11. m says:

    excellent points. to which we could also add: now the student killer doesn’t have to bring his own weapon to school. he just has to knock a teacher on the head. or arm-wrestle an old one.


  12. lonestar says:

    Don’t these people realize that arming teachers simply insures the teachers will be the first ones shot?


  13. Another Kiwi says:

    Ah ha lonestar, Wingnut Central is way ahead of you! They say that the teachers should just wear normal clothes (no kevlar) but be trained in popping caps on arses and different teachers will have the guns on different days. So the shooters won’t know!!!
    See, they’ll be at the school gate wondering “Who shall I shoot, who shall I shoot?” and up will come a normally dressed teacher and blow them away!!
    Foiled by superior wingnut thinking.


  14. A. J. says:

    You forgot:

    “Will you accept a TAX INCREASE to pay for the guns, training, background checks, substitute teacher training, immense liability insurance premiums, etc to implement the policy you want on an annual basis?”

    Right there – dead.


  15. your questions about how to run an “arm the teachers” program assume a big government perspective

    this is the wrong way to go about it

    let the teachers bring their own guns – and if they don’t want to, that’s ok too

    whatever the problem, freedom has a good chance of being the answer



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